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Hebrews 12:11

Message recorded 24 November 2013

John Dugas – Grace Bible Church Tulsa

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Who would turn within your Bibles to Hebrews chapter 12 Hebrews 12 this morning will be looking at verse 11 Hebrews 1211.  Sorrow is most severe when it infects the soul think about their there such thing as a it's hard a lot of times to deal with pain, but English is even harder where it affects us in the soul being injured on the playground can hurt but it's nothing when compared to all of the kids on the playground laughing at you think about the anguish of soul that we experience when someone in our life makes a sinful choice think about when someone our life fails us think about when they break their promises think about when other people reject us can do this when when we stand before the casket.  There's a different kind of sorrow that we can experience having lost a friend or loved one.  We certainly will experience.  Sorrow knowing that it were going to miss them someone who has been dear to us in.  They will be there anymore.  But think about how much greater the sorrow is we look into the casket.  We know that that person is right now in hell that was always so deep within.  It's painful and we grieve deeply soul sorrow can lead to discouragement, depression or despair ancient Greek philosophers known as Stoics he tried to move through life in such a way that they could be untouched by sorrow by grief by pain that was their goal is a good goalie most of us would like to be able to do that to move through life and to have all of those those ills not make it to us and we can step back and not be touched everyone would like to avoid sorrow.  No one likes standing on the edge of despair and and gazing into that chasm of agony that we feel whenever we experience sorrow.  Nobody signs up for the that's why God has to sign us up for why does he do that one is God.  Sign us up for such episodes of soul grieving sorrow because God's most precious gifts are wrapped in some will read Hebrews 12 versus seven through 11 the writer.  There talking about God's loving discipline of his sons, he says verse seven it is for discipline that you endure God deals with you as sons for what son is there his father does not discipline, but if you're without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not son.  Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline I sent we respected them shall we not much rather be subject to the father of spirits and later, for they disciplined us for a short time.  It seemed best to them but he disciplines us for our good that we may share his holiness all discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful.  The sorrowful it to those who have been trained by afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.  What if I said was true.  Just a minute ago that God's precious his most precious gifts are are wrapped in sorrow, Wyoming.  I standing in line need more of you in it.  If it's that good.  John then why do we not line of why did he not line up your preaching to us you know this stuff your you know half a step ahead because you've already studied this now telling us which you learn the words you in line for not well because first training appears only produce God's training disciplines chastisement all that it appears to only produce sorrow, he says here, verse 11 all discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful no one would it would disagree with is a truism of life.  Every culture.  Everybody understands that that discipline.  Whether it's chastisement getting a spanking.  It doesn't matter whether it is done by our earthly fathers or whether it's done by our heavenly father.  Whether it is chastisement for sin, or whether the purpose is trying which doesn't have anything directly to do with Samba training us in righteousness, which is the broader umbrella that he's talking about here.  It doesn't matter at the time it appears to be Italy's contrasting here is not as he did earlier earthly discipline and heavenly discipline our earthly fathers in our heavenly father what he is contrasting is the way we look at suffering our perception at the time when it's happening perception is that it is the only produces our is contrasting that with what actually comes out of in the life of a believer.  When that God produces insulin talk about that.  That's when he is contrasting here and so he says first that such training discipline seems not to be joyful enjoy here that he's talking about is the happiness of soul.  It's that deep-seated happiness that we are want to face is what we're going through trials afflictions suffering discipline training it doesn't seem like it's joyful, but think about the example of Jesus that we have earlier in the passage there back in verse two, where he was at what he went through it wasn't joyful at the time he was on the cross you know, saying all this is you spray know he agreed he suffered English.  It was a spiritually and spiritual turmoil for him because of what was happening to him.  He was burying our sins.  That's not a pleasant thought our pleasant thing to experience asked you receiving the wrath of God for our sins.  But he was able to look at and say I'm going to go through with that for the joy set before me, for the joy afterward that I have to look forward to.  And so the writer is calling us to be like our Savior to to say yes right now.  This in and of itself is an joyful, but I can have joy right now because I know what's coming.  And I know that I will realize that joy because God is ordained that I will receive that wonderful inheritance that prize that is mine in Christ.  But on the surface suffering doesn't seem to be good, it doesn't seem like there's any positive anything about it went when that suffering first comes on you.  You first are going through it.  You know we don't really handle it all that well we can think of is this is real and we can see how it's good this is a truism of life it's been recognized for centuries.  Aristotle remarked the roots of discipline are bitter sweet.  Not bad for pay the roots bitter for sweet before him.  The psalmist in Psalm 119 versus 6771 said this before I was afflicted I went astray.  Some forgot it corrected me before I had to go through this time of great difficulty when astray, but now I keep thy word that is because you didn't afflicted in any says it is good for me that I was afflicted he's able to see having been through a child.  Now he's able to look back, he says you ask for me that was afflicted acting and I couldn't see the good by faith and is trusted God that it's good to be good for me but I can't.  I look back and I see said is good for me that I was afflicted that I may learn thy statutes.  So the time are suffering a trials afflictions they don't seem to be joyful.  Instead, he says they seem only to be sorrowful that's the point is not that it that surprising to us.  We know their sorrowful, but the idea is that to us.  It looks like there only sorrowful he's talking about this this deep that we experience in sorrow that sorrow of soul that deep inside we grieve and in life can can look so we can dark and yet God's training process.  While it only seems to bring sorrow there's more to it than meets the tearful eyes because the next word gives us hope it doesn't seem to be joyful, it only seems sorrowful, yet of those little words that preach hope to us you is more to the story appearances are deceiving

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